Knee-Mail: “Baaaaaaa!”

From:    Kent Hovind
Sent:    February 20, 2008
To:    Young Shepherd
Subject:    Scarred Sheep

First read:    I Samuel 17: 34-37

1 Samuel 17:34-37  “And David said unto Saul, Thy servant kept his father’s sheep, and there came a lion, and a bear, and took a lamb out of the flock:  And I went out after him, and smote him, and delivered it out of his mouth: and when he arose against me, I caught him by his beard, and smote him, and slew him.  Thy servant slew both the lion and the bear: and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be as one of them, seeing he hath defied the armies of the living God.  David said moreover, The LORD that delivered me out of the paw of the lion, and out of the paw of the bear, he will deliver me out of the hand of this Philistine. And Saul said unto David, Go, and the LORD be with thee.”

KH:    Excuse me, young man, what on earth happened to that terrified little lamb you are holding?

Young Shepherd: Oh, he’s pretty scared right now but he’ll be OK. He was almost     eaten by that lion over there.

KH:    Is the lion dead?

YS:    Oh, yeah! Really dead!

KH:    What happened?

YS:    I’ve been a shepherd watching over my father’s flock here since I was about ten years old. My job is to protect the sheep.

KH:    Do sheep need protection?

YS:    Oh yeah. They are really helpless and stupid. They would all be dead without me. A few minutes ago that lion grabbed this lamb and tried to run off with it, but I killed him.

KH:    How did you kill him?

YS:    I hit him with a rock out of my sling first. That knocked him down and made him drop the lamb. I hoped that he would get the message and just leave, but as I went to get my lamb, the lion rose up against me. I grabbed his beard and hit him again. This time I used a bigger rock to really explain it to him.

KH:    Did you want to kill the lion?

YS:    Not really. I don’t like to have to kill any animal. I didn’t ask for this fight, but he came and took my lamb. My job is to protect my sheep (John 10). That lion chose a lamb from the wrong flock this time.

KH:    Did you hear the lion come into the flock?

YS:    No, they are really quiet and sneaky.

KH:    What alerted you to the problem?

YS:    The lamb cried out for me. That’s all I need to hear.

KH:    Did you risk your life to rescue this lamb because it is a good lamb?

YS:    No, actually this one tends to wonder off at times. I rescued it because it is mine and it cried out to me.

KH:    So where are you headed now?

YS:    First, I’m going to wash and comfort this lamb. It’s been pretty traumatized. Once I get it calmed down, I will go skin the lion and bury the carcass. That lion skin will make a nice warm coat.

KH:    And serve as a great reminder of an incredible story!

YS:    It will also remind this lamb every time I wear it to stay close to me and not wander off.

KH:    That’s for sure! Say, what’s your name, young shepherd?

YS:    David, sir, son of Jessie.

kh:    Hey, Lord?

GOD:    Yes, Son.

kh:    That lamb was helpless against that lion, wasn’t it?

GOD:    Yes, Son, it sure was.

kh:    That lion had no mercy or compassion did it, Lord?

GOD:     No, Son, none at all.

kh:    That lamb’s only hope was for that shepherd to rescue it, wasn’t it, Lord?

GOD:    Yes, Son. Without the shepherd, the lamb would be dead right now.

kh:    Lord, I’m in the jaws of a merciless beast right now, aren’t I, Lord (Proverbs 28:15-18)?

GOD:    Yes, Son, you sure are.

kh:    Lord, all that lamb could do was cry out and the shepherd got involved with whatever level of force was needed to rescue his lamb, right, Lord?

GOD:    Yes, Son. All the good shepherd ever needs to hear is for one of his lambs to cry out for help. He will take it from there.

kh:    Lord?

God:    Yes, My Son.

kh:    Baaaaaaaaa!

23 Comments

  1. pabramson May 9, 2008 9:56 am Reply

    Dear Millerfamily6,

    Thank you for your comments of –
    http://www.cseblogs.com/?p=141#comments – May 8th, 2008 at 12:26pm.

    You Wrote: “I’m not sure about the teaching that he proposes, as other independent Baptists do, which says, quote, ‘THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS GOD’S WRITTEN WORD—THE BIBLE!
    “When That Which is Perfect Is Come” is a reference to the written word of God, which is now completed and established as the written revelation of the mind and will of God.’ “

    Yes, I have heard that interpretation by some. So … did that moment take place when John completed Revelation. Or was it when the last of the original Apostles died? Is the AV “more perfect” than the original Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek? If so, then was it really in 1611? I understand the belief that some of the more troublesome gifts are believed to be no longer needed or given.

    I am asking if that believed doctrine is wrong and if it thus weakens the church?

    1 Corinthians 14:1a “Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, …”

    As I read this – reading it literally – we should be loving; and we should actively SEEK the gifts of the spirit. All of them, right?

    Why do you think that “the perfect” has come? And when precisely WAS that? Things in the world do not look perfect to me. … I just do not see where that (anti-gifts) doctrine meshes with Scripture.

    1 Corinthians 13:11-12 “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

    Above it says, “For now we…” isn’t that still true – NOW?

    Excuse me, but since when have we (or the world, or the church, or our understanding) already reached perfection in this life…?

    I still sin. Are we not still the New Testament believers? Weren’t we (aren’t we) grafted in?

    Hebrews 12:1-4 “Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.”

    In your church – who sets the order of service: the Holy Spirit or the pastoral team?

    1 Corinthians 14:26-27 “How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.”

    And why did you refer to what Dr. Hovind teaches? Let’s refer to Scripture.

    You wrote: “Please beware of the charasmatic movement as it is not of God; it is deception of the devil. Dr. Hovind, if I remember correctly, does not promote the charasmatic movement nor does he agree that apostles are for today.”

    PRINCIPLES!

    We need to look for and use God’s principles, as we see revealed in Scripture. Set formulas can lead us astray.

    Most of the Old Testament prophets were not trained rabbis! None of Jesus’ disciples were trained in the Scriptures.

    Why on Earth did you state (above), “Please beware of the charasmatic movement as it is not of God; it is deception of the devil. …”

    Okay, maybe. Or … maybe we SHOULD be seeking the gifts, as Scripture teaches us to do. But God is having to GO AROUND folks who have (rabbis/priests/pastors) trained themselves to limit how they can interact with the Lord?

    (Continued in next message.)

    Paul Abramson

    http://www.creationism.org

  2. pabramson May 9, 2008 10:21 am Reply

    Dear Millerfamily6, –(Reply Message – Part 2)

    Thank you (again) for your comments of –
    http://www.cseblogs.com/?p=141#comments – May 8th, 2008 at 12:26pm.

    You Wrote: “I’m not sure about the teaching that he proposes, as other independent Baptists do, which says, quote, ‘THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS GOD’S WRITTEN WORD—THE BIBLE!
    “When That Which is Perfect Is Come” is a reference to the written word of God, which is now completed and established as the written revelation of the mind and will of God.’ “

    Until the 20th Century and the beginnings of the then new “Pentecostal Movement” – Bible scholars had never used that interpretation before, had they?

    I do not know of a single old Bible commentary (from before the 20th Century) that interprets “when that which is perfect is come” … to mean the closing of the canon of Scripture (or some other artificial date).

    In other words, for over 1,800 years Christians realized that “the perfect” has not yet come. It is in the future, after the Tribulation.

    But then … God started blessing some young believers with that darned, difficult, and dog gone deleterious tongues stuff again. Oh no. Wait a minute. Hey, I don’t recall God asking our permission for startin’ that kind of thing back up again, now did He? Just hold on there Lord, we decided that You can’t do that anymore! Let me show you right here in your Word where it says that all that tongues stuff must have stopped. Err, well, okay, it is not there, but we all decided that it must have stopped. So You’ll have to go around us if you want to give some folks that spiritual gift. An’ we know that You don’t want to do that, do you!?

    Perhaps … looking at the word: “perfect” in Scripure will help us understand if it has ALREADY come, and just what it means:

    Matthew 5:48 “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

    Luke 6:40 “The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.”

    John 17:23a “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; …”

    Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

    1 Corinthians 13:10 “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”

    Ephesians 4:13 “Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.”

    ====

    Satan can deceive ANY of us!

    We must rely on the Word! The Word is our standard! Human leaders can be wrong on some things. In this life we remain imperfect.

    To repeat one verse from above:

    1 Corinthians 13:10 “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”

    If I am wrong in the questions that I am proposing regarding the gifts of the spirit – show me that in Scripture!

    Paul Abramson

    http://www.creationism.org

  3. pabramson May 9, 2008 12:20 pm Reply

    Dear Geno,

    I have decided to not approve your two postings from yesterday (Thurs., 5-8).

    Remember that in the history of science the consensus of scientists gets shown to be wrong time and time again. The scientists stood against: Galileo, Pasteur, Einstein, and many others.

    The Bible’s critics have to keep looking for new charges – as the old ones get swept away. And the Bible remains true. It is not primarily a science book, but when mentioning science, it eventually gets proven correct.

    – Scientists are only human.

    – The Bible is inspired by God.

    You trust in one; I in the other.

    95% of academicians in Texas standing against ICR’s application is not a good enough reason, since evolution remains untrue. Sorry, you start from the wrong foundation. Human consensus does have merit, but not when it contravenes the clear teaching of the Bible.

    Back in California, through TRACS, ICR previously had accreditation.

    http://www.icr.org/ The Institute for Creation Research continues to do quality scientific and Biblical research.

    Paul Abramson

    http://www.creationism.org

  4. Peter Boyce May 9, 2008 2:22 pm Reply

    Baaaaaaa! made me cry.

    We went to see the movie EXPELLED.
    That night I went to sleep very conscious of a far greater injustice than that which the fired and untenured scientists interviewed in the movie had suffered. I was awakened at 3 A.M.inspired in dream with a couple of verses and couldn’t sleep till the poem was complete.
    In an effort to encourage Ben Stein and hopefully direct a little attention to the even greater injustice that is being endured by our beloved poster child of ID/Creationist persecution, we sent this poem to the Expelled website and the 5 scientists listed on the site. We’ve heard back from 2 of the scientists who said they were grateful for the encouragement and that they were in the middle of taking a lot of heat as a result of the movie coming out.
    Here’s the poem. We look forward to the day when Kent is not only released but rises like Joseph to the level of responsibility commensurate with his character.

    Love Peter & Catherine Boyce, enjoy the poem:

    Got Stones?

    © 2008 Peter F. Boyce ~ da Bobby Burns of da Bronx

    Leaving cares of sheep behind
    Walking softly comes Ben Stein

    Faith in heart, but slung in mind
    A simple question: Whence Mankind?

    Venturing near to Big Bad Science
    Question launched where it would Go-lieth

    Now Who’d o’thunk
    Dat twixt da eyes
    N’out spews “advectives”
    Surprise! Surprise!
    In all my days never heerd such “science”
    From out da mouths o’ who there now lieth

    God whose grace makes babies smile
    EXPELLED by “POLI-SCIENTISTS” in denial
    Freed to follow privy lusts
    Violating sacred trusts
    Not seeking truth ‘neath every stone
    But cataloging rock and bone
    Making up such times that fit
    Time too short? Just tweak a bit!

    So where’s these “SCIENTISTS’” debate?
    Dare they debate Dr. Hovind face to face?
    They can prepare for the next 10 years
    ‘Cause keeping Kent in prison calms evolutionists’ fears.

    Peter F. Boyce
    Creationist
    Inventor
    Poet n’
    Patriot
    Evolved from slime? I think not
    Rather born again and that’s da truth!

  5. for Jesus’ name: Phillip-George (c)1974 May 9, 2008 3:54 pm Reply

    Samphire, re: astronomy and the bible – the bible got it right. basically there is no biblical distinction between planets and stars:_ the modern distinction between a planet and a star is arbitrary and scientifically useless. Jupiter is a so called gas giant. it is simply a smaller and dark star – not totally “dark” because it does put out infra red radiation – it must have some heat generating mechanism within it [maybe gravitational collapse energy – a big maybe]

    the modern distinction between planets and stars has yielded nothing useful.

    in poetry we refer to falling stars or shooting stars. in God’s economy everything of distinction out there that isn’t the sun or the moon is a star – whether its light or dark, gas or rock, nebulous or dense, spinning or stationary, bound or dispersing, fleeting or semi permanent makes no difference. the combined light from all sources other than the sun is a significant light to spot icebergs with or for owls to catch mice. it might well be a factor in weather and climate change as well.

    the ancients may not have had certain details to work with but the words that the Holy Spirit placed on their minds was not going to be contradicted by “technical detail window dressing”.

    the bible stands

  6. Jason May 9, 2008 6:19 pm Reply

    Millerfamily6
    Said this on May 8th, 2008 at 12:26pm:

    A few on here are speaking of the spiritual gifts and how some of them are still for today.
    ………………………..

    Hi Millerfamily,

    I guess by the inference of the way you write, I at least must be grouped amongst the few you are talking about. Please forgive me if I have offended you in the way I write.

    I read your post and what you go on to say I agree with entirely…

    Quote…
    “We must be careful to rightly divide the word of truth and truly desire to be taught of the Lord and not just our preconcieved notions about what the Word means;”

    You say that you’ve “been there, done that, and gotten way off course believing what others were saying about some of the spiritual gifts being for today.”

    Again I concur, I too have… ‘been there, done that, and gotten way off course believing what others say…’. This brings me back to why I agree so much that… ‘we must be careful to rightly divide the word of truth and truly desire to be taught of the Lord’. The Bible is the standard or benchmark if you like, to which all correct doctrine must be tested. i.e. line upon line precept upon precept.

    You then go on to say;
    “Dr. Hovind, if I remember correctly, does not promote the charasmatic movement nor does he agree that apostles are for today.”

    I guess that your sentiment in saying this was to remind others (myself included) of who founded and ultimately owns this blog. It may be so correct, as you say that Dr. Kent Hovind does hold to the views that you ascribe to him. Neither would I try to take that away from him, or you.

    The fact that I appear to agree with Paul Abramson’s view of scripture in this regard is (as I am sure you agree) is no qualification for a correct discernment of the truth.

    As we both agree on this (I guess Kent & Paul too)… “We must be careful to rightly divide the word of truth and truly desire to be taught of the Lord and not just our preconceived notions about what the Word means;” in the knowledge that ‘we CAN get way off course believing what others say’. Should we not focus our selves upon the word of God in Prayer, asking that we might see things the way God does?

    I have found It that it can be difficult, discussing issues like these; one person can look at the other and say, “Please let me take the splinter out of your eye”.

    I wrote what I wrote (on Ephesians 4:11-13), based (as I believe it is written) upon scripture. If I am in error I hope to be teachable, (teaching based upon scripture).

    However it has been my experience that two brothers in the Lord, both Saved by their Faith in the Grace of Christ Alone. Cannot agree upon what the Word of God actually says. Both Love God, knowing their own Sin would lead then directly to Hell but for the Grace of God, but still remain without Unity on issues such as these which we have been discussing.

    Neither brother can convince the other, no matter how many lines upon lines & precepts upon precepts validate the view they hold. I guess each one is saddened in heart, wishing for unity, yet asking themselves, “What can I do? He will not agree with me, and neither can I agree with him and hold to my conscience before God”.

    If we both agree that scripture is True & Correct, but cannot agree on what it actually says then we will have to wait for God to come in Person, then there will be no more discord between us.

    I ask, considering all I have just written, that until then, can we not pray for each other and if possible Love each other enough to be there for each other when help is needed? As we all get things wrong and often do not see thing correctly.

    Lastly, I have often said that I have never found anyone (besides God) with whom I agree with right the way down the line; this also includes Christian Denominations. I see error & blindness in both the Baptist, and the Charismatic, yet concede that both can direct a lost sole to find salvation. Teaching salvation through Faith in the Grace of Christ.

    When I meet Jesus, I have no doubt that He will reveal in me much error and blindness, when that time comes I will then see clearly, and shall know even as also I am known.

    Lots of Love

    Jason x

  7. Geno May 9, 2008 10:08 pm Reply

    pabramson
    Said this on May 9th, 2008 at 12:20pm:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Dear Geno,

    I have decided to not approve your two postings from yesterday (Thurs., 5-8).
    **********

    Geno:
    For those who will not see the posts, the subjects were:

    1) The reasons AIG did not get accreditation with documentation from public records made available by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board (THECB). THECB is the office of the Texas Department of Education that provides state of Texas approval for college/graduate level educational programs. Link: http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/

    2) A response to Phillip-George’s opinion that I am totally mistaken regarding the energy problems of Dr. Baumgardner’s Catastrophic Plate Tectonics and Dr. Brown’s Runaway Subduction models. Suffice it to say that despite Phillip-George’s opinion and his claims, both Dr. Baumgardner and Dr. Brown recognize the heat problems of their models and make specific proposals to deal with them.

  8. mtlionsroar May 10, 2008 9:24 am Reply

    Dear Kent:

    Me too! Baaaaaaaa!!!! I’m with you brother! Praying for you.

    Dee

    P.S. Watched your seminars last night. Can’t wait till you’re back there making all those professors look foolish!

  9. Samphire May 10, 2008 10:06 am Reply

    Jason
    Said this on May 9th, 2008 at 6:19pm:

    “I see error & blindness in both the Baptist, and the Charismatic, yet concede that both can direct a lost sole to find salvation.

    Hmmm. They may both be fishers of men but I would like to see them try.

  10. lagomorph2 May 10, 2008 11:45 am Reply

    for Jesus’ name: Phillip-George (c)1974 said:

    “_ the modern distinction between a planet and a star is arbitrary and scientifically useless.”
    and
    “the modern distinction between planets and stars has yielded nothing useful.”

    The scientific acumen of blog posters such as this makes my jaw drop in amazement. Even in ancient times navigators made distinctions between stars and planets – and when doing such navigation the distinction is far from useless. Modern space exploration would likewise be impossible without such a distinction.

    Please, people. Try to have some inkling of what you are saying before you give it public exposure.

    Sincerely,
    Lagomorph

  11. Elethiomel May 11, 2008 2:55 am Reply

    Phillip-George says: “Samphire, re: astronomy and the bible – the bible got it right. basically there is no biblical distinction between planets and stars:_ the modern distinction between a planet and a star is arbitrary and scientifically useless. Jupiter is a so called gas giant. it is simply a smaller and dark star – not totally “dark” because it does put out infra red radiation – it must have some heat generating mechanism within it [maybe gravitational collapse energy – a big maybe]

    the modern distinction between planets and stars has yielded nothing useful.”

    Elethiomel replies: this is really wrong, and I mean, really really wrong. The distinction between stars and planets is that nuclear fusion occurs in stars and it doesn’t occur in planets. Jupiter is not a star because no fusion occurs within it.

  12. Jason May 11, 2008 2:52 pm Reply

    Samphire
    Said this on May 10th, 2008 at 10:06am:
    ________________________________________
    Jason
    Said this on May 9th, 2008 at 6:19pm:
    “I see error & blindness in both the Baptist, and the Charismatic, yet concede that both can direct a lost sole to find salvation.”

    Hmmm. They may both be fishers of men but I would like to see them try.

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Hi Samphire

    I was confused by your comment until I noticed my spelling error…

    “Sole”, being the underside of the foot.

    The idea of a lost ‘sole’ is quite funny, thank you for the correction.

    Lots of Love

    Jason x

  13. Samphire May 11, 2008 10:15 pm Reply

    
for Jesus’ name: Phillip-George (c)1974
    Said this on May 9th, 2008 at 3:54pm:

    ”Samphire, re: astronomy and the bible – the bible got it right. basically there is no biblical distinction between planets and stars:_ the modern distinction between a planet and a star is arbitrary ……”

    P-G makes my point. Genesis 1:17 gives the perfectly clear and literal statement “And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth”. I made the simple point that only about one in 10^19 stars is visible in the night sky. Add in P-G’s planets and other bodies and that ratio rises considerably. It seems that, contrary to the verse, the stars were not made for such a mundane purpose – which is why mankind had to invent the wind-up torch. Had the ancient writer known of the vast numbers of distant galaxies would he have made such a statement? Was the Jewish God ignorant of his own creation?

    ”…. the combined light from all sources other than the sun is a significant light to spot icebergs with ….”

    The night of the Titanic disaster was clear. The stars were visible but the moon had not risen. It seems that one needs more than stars to see icebergs at night – which is why mankind invented the night-scope.

    ”…it might well be a factor in weather and climate change as well.”

    Unlikely. Turn on a street light and most of the stars disappear. The rate of starlight falling on the Earth over the last 6,000 years has been constant plus or minus the odd comet or occasional nearby supernova.

    ”the ancients may not have had certain details to work with but the words that the Holy Spirit placed on their minds was not going to be contradicted by “technical detail window dressing”.

    10^19 is not a “detail”. Take away every molecule in the human body bar one in 10^19 and all that would be left would be sufficient only for a homeopathic remedy, i.e. none.

  14. Samphire May 12, 2008 6:12 am Reply

    Jason
    Said this on May 11th, 2008 at 2:52pm:

    ”Hi Samphire

    I was confused by your comment until I noticed my spelling error…

    “Sole”, being the underside of the foot.

    The idea of a lost ‘sole’ is quite funny, thank you for the correction.”

    That’s not the sole meaning of the word. As that famous Victorian preacher Charles Haddock Sturgeon once wrote: “For those still in a flounder, it is also a plaice near Dover.”

  15. pabramson May 12, 2008 6:32 am Reply

    Earth’s Atmospheric Transparency – Visibility of Star Light

    1 – Make God small, in one’s mind.

    2 – Realize how immense the universe truly is.

    3 – Decide “logically” that God (since He is believed to be small) could not have made all of it; it is just “too big” for His (believed) limited powers.

    Genesis 1:14-19 “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”

    God knows every star by its name! That is trillions upon trillions; yet not a one wearing his name tag!

    Psalm 147:4 “He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.”

    There is so much that (today, post-Flood) we cannot see!

    Down through the millennia astronomers have tried to count the total number of stars. They came up with precise totals, each between 1000-1200. In this they could have counted the Bible as wrong, which says:

    Jeremiah 33:22a “As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, …”

    The Bible was right all along – scientists who differed with the Bible – wrong all along.

    Thus now, with additional evidence available, we see the Bible confirmed – yet again.

    Our atmosphere TODAY absorbs most light frequencies. (Was it always this way? Or have we fallen?)

    “The Transparency of the Earth’s Atmosphere”
    http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/introduction/emsurface.html

    We do not know what the pre-Flood atmosphere looked like, nor how rapidly the other star systems were moving away (God has “stretched the heavens”, ahem) after Creation Week.

    Perhaps they were ALL visible at first.

    Now, we are near the end of the 6000 years. Few distant star systems are visible today, except using large telescopes, particularly those deployed in space.

    SAMPHIRE’s problem (and that of other skeptics) is that he thinks the God of the Bible is “small”. He thinks the Bible was written solely (soully…?) by human authors. Skeptics do not look for answers that firstly fit the Bible’s framework. Therein lies a pivotal error in thinking.

    Instead, being usually wise in their own eyes, they look for a human contrived solution. And many skeptics, determined that the Bible just can’t be true, will look for any apparent solution that somehow contradicts the Bible.

    Today we need street lights at night, or a full moon. (Or in the Titanic’s case, a watchman that is concerned more with passing icebergs than with keeping warm while on deck in the cold night winds.)

    The Fall – changed our environment dramatically. Our bodies are slowly falling apart. Stars reach their ends and explode. Animals prey upon each other for food. This is NOT the way things were supposed to be. But sin has marred our universe.

    Romans 8:22 “For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.”

    Instead of worshiping the Creator, evolution is a belief system which encourages the unredeemed to worship the creature.

    Romans 1:20-23 “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”

    We have a couple of skeptics here who claim to be God-fearing, while: “…they glorified him not as God…” (per above). They exalt human consensus opinions OVER the clear reading of God’s Word. Well, so they fall away, unbelief creeps in, by their own corrupted imaginations.

    “Darwin’s Enigma” by Luther Sunderland, from Chapter 2:
    http://www.creationism.org/books/sunderland/DarwinsEnigma/DarwinsEnigma_02Darwinism.htm

    From Book: “Darwin was quoted in the book Life and Letters of Charles Darwin as writing, ‘I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation…. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress.’10 Following graduation, two days after Christmas 1831, he set sail as a naturalist on board the British ship H.M.S. Beagle. During a five-year around-the-world voyage and shortly after his return to England, he came to accept the idea of the naturalistic, gradualistic origin of all species that his grandfather had promoted. Later he wrote, ‘But I had gradually come by this time, i.e. 1836 to 1839, to see that the Old Testament… was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindus, or the beliefs of any barbarian.’11”

    Evolution is not science. Evolution is a false religion.

    Paul Abramson

    http://www.creationism.org

  16. pabramson May 12, 2008 7:16 am Reply

    Does a Sole have a Soul?

    Well, now I ponder this notion. Here are my Scriptures:

    Ecclesiastes 3:21 “Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?”

    So, beasts (animals, eh) have “spirits”. They are beings of consequence. (This is the only verse I know of that mentions animals having souls/spirits, and what happens to them at death.)

    Indeed, man is to have dominion over other Earth life forms. (Note the sequence below, listing sea creatures first!)

    Genesis 1:26-27 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”

    Who are we to preach the Gospel to?

    To all HUMANS? …Is that what Scripture says to do? …

    Mark 16:15 “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

    1 Corinthians 9:16 “For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!”

    Actions speak louder than words, of course. Refrain from cruelty to animals would be consistent with Scripture, if you are preaching with your actions.

    Did Jesus die on the Cross for all HUMANS? …Let’s read it again:

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

    Can God speak to animals? Can He command them to do certain actions? Ravens fed Elijah for a time.

    1 Kings 17:4 “And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.”

    Genesis 6:17-20 “And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.”

    Noah did not have to go out and collect lots of land animals and birds. They came to him.

    Respiration – The “Breath of life”. And the “life is in the blood”…. I would contend that the blood itself, in its entirety, is not “life” but rather, by some meaning, “the life is in the blood”.

    Fish have blood, they use respiration; they are from a different environment than us.

    We are to have dominion over the fish of the sea. To control, or regulate, or organize, or to have command over.

    Fishers of men – Jesus tells His men that they shall cast nets down into another environment (the unredeemed) and seek soles (or souls).

    John 21:6 “And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.”

    Were the fish “commanded” to congregate, or how was this arranged…?

    Well, there are some mysteries here. And the “soul” and “spirit” are actually different from each other.

    Hebrews 4:12 “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

    1 Corinthians 15:45 “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”

    What…? That is an interesting distinction.

    Let’s end this entry with this:

    1 Thes. 5:14 “Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.”
    1 Thes. 5:15 “See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.”
    1 Thes. 5:16 “Rejoice evermore.”
    1 Thes. 5:17 “Pray without ceasing.”
    1 Thes. 5:18 “In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.”
    1 Thes. 5:19 “Quench not the Spirit.”
    1 Thes. 5:20 “Despise not prophesyings.”
    1 Thes. 5:21 “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”
    1 Thes. 5:22 “Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
    1 Thes. 5:23 “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    1 Thes. 5:24 “Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.”
    1 Thes. 5:25 “Brethren, pray for us.”
    1 Thes. 5:26 “Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss.”
    1 Thes. 5:27 “I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.”
    1 Thes. 5:28 “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”

    http://www.creationism.org

  17. pabramson May 12, 2008 7:48 am Reply

    “Bloated profits as poor go hungry”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10507919

    From Article: “Giant agribusinesses are enjoying soaring earnings and profits out of the world food crisis which is driving millions of people towards starvation. …

    “The Food and Agriculture Organisation reports that 37 developing countries are in urgent need of food.

    “And food riots are breaking out across the globe from Bangladesh to Burkina Faso, from China to Cameroon, and from Uzbekistan to the United Arab Emirates.”

    ====

    The stock market could “soar to new heights” as consumers get crushed below.

    The haves own and could become more powerful (in this life, i.e. temporarily); while the have-nots swelter below. If one’s needs are tied to the dollar, and they decide to abandon it; they’ll be fine. Stocks could rise; and the “little people” will be squeezed, having less.

    The dollar could fall in value, with a myriad of temporary excuses in the press. (And many will believe their ridiculous excuses or false blaming of others.) And all the while the stock market could be “strong”. -But that would not help you or I pay the bills!

    ====

    “Beijing and Riyadh will call the shots on ailing dollar’s future”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/11/ccecon111.xml

    From Article: “… A plummeting US currency would also cause chaos globally, as central banks sought to protect the value of their reserves. And after the inevitable overshoot, the currency would snap back, sending financial markets into a tailspin, and threatening a fully-blown global slump. …”

    ====

    “Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet”
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_bi_ge/cashing_out_the_attic;_ylt=An2lk5S9gnnLsIQ0aJtePRMDW7oF

    From Article: “… Struggling with mounting debt and rising prices, faced with the toughest economic times since the early 1990s, Americans are selling prized possessions online and at flea markets at alarming rates.

    “To meet higher gas, food and prescription drug bills, they are selling off grandmother’s dishes and their own belongings. Some of the household purging has been extremely painful — families forced to part with heirlooms.

    ” ‘This is not about downsizing. It’s about needing gas money,’ said Nancy Baughman, founder of eBizAuctions, an online auction service she runs out of her garage in Raleigh, N.C. One former affluent customer is now unemployed and had to unload Hermes leather jackets and Versace jeans and silk shirts.”

    http://www.creationism.org

  18. praybird May 12, 2008 7:51 am Reply

    “Baaaaaaaaaaa” Heal your wounded sheep oh Lord, we know what it is like to be wounded, we are praying for you Kent and family, His Tender Mercies sustain us, keep us, and are New every morning, Great is Thy Faithfulness. God bless you from Don and family

  19. The Welders Wife May 12, 2008 7:44 pm Reply

    This is for the Mothers at CSE & those Moms/Mums who read this blog…
    Happy Belated Mother’s Day, & may God continually fill you with His grace….

    A MOTHER-IN-LAW & GOD’S GRACE!
    [This was written 6 years ago & the mother-in-law in this story is now with the LORD, & breathing a sigh of relief!]

    My Mother-in-law and I have lived under the same roof now for about 16 years (at the time of writing this). We decided to combine houses about four years after my Father-in-law died, because her house had been robbed 3 or 4 times. (The last time the thieves broke in, they stole, among other things, my brother-in-law’s underwear! It was bizarre!! The morning after the robbery, when he opened his dresser drawer to take them out for his shower, they were gone!) On another occasion, while my Mother-in-law was in her front yard, a stranger pushed her down, grabbed her purse and ran off with it. So…we sold both our houses, and bought another one together in a safer location.
    It has been an adventure! My Mother-in-law and I are as different as night and day. When my husband was very young, she began praying for a wife for him. Maybe the LORD rolled His eyes and thought, “Dear Woman, what you really need to be asking Me for is an abundance of grace to go with this prayer request of yours!! I’ve already got the girl picked out. She’s just right for this son of yours, and I’m bringing her from the ends of the earth, and I’ll make her part of your family team; but….she is going to be one part of the body and you are an entirely different part with a different function, and it’s going to take an abundance of My grace for the two of you to work together. See, she’s the perspiring arm pit that keeps the body cool, and you are the nose! My grace is the hand that washes the arm pit and rolls on the deodorant! My grace is also the hand that brings the handkerchief to the nose in order to clean out the nostrils so that the nose can keep smelling, and filtering the air that goes in and out of the body. My grace is the hand that rubs the nose when it is itching, and pinches it shut when the smell is too strong. My grace is the fingers on the hands that rub the sav into wounds at the entrance of the nose, and My grace is the fingers on the hands that rub in sav into the chaffed arm pits”.
    As I said before, we are very different from each other, even though we both love God. When it comes to dealing with clothing and make-up, we are worlds apart! Her mentality in this department is prissy. Mine is practical! She has feet like a little English fairy___ long and narrow and pointed and small, and better adapted for creatures who fly, than creatures who walk! She could probably fit her feet into any pair of shoes you could find on the market in her size seven and a half, except that she has to wear orthodics with them. I, on the other hand, have feet just like a troll doll___one of those cute little troll dolls with the long hair and the smiley faces. My feet are wide across the toes….(all 5 toes by the grace of God!…troll dolls have 4 toes!). They look like real feet! I can easily wear a man’s size 11, and usually do. I grip the ground well with my feet! I like that verse that says, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news”. But try buying prissy, feminine looking shoes that will work with my feet. It starts there between my Mother-in-law and I.
    Then it goes to the type of material we wear. She likes things that are ‘synthetic wash-n-wear’, or ‘dry clean only’, clothes that say, “Here’s a woman who is sophisticated and classy, and knows what she’s doing!” If she had her way, she would iron everything! As for me, I don’t particularly care for synthetic material! It makes my skin feel like it’s crawling. It doesn’t absorb perspiration, and let you cool down during the evaporation process. (This is really bad, especially when one has the designated task of being an arm pit!!) In the winter time it doesn’t hold the heat in. Besides, why would anybody want to wear something that has been dead for over 4000 years? After all, aren’t synthetic clothes made out of petroleum products? When I’m teaching, I wear jean skirts long enough that I can wear a pair of jeans underneath, because it gets well below freezing in winter around here! Do I look sophisticated and business like? Probably not! (One of my youngest students used to refer to me as ‘Mrs. Moon Boots” when I was out of ear shot.) My Mother-in-law and I are very different in that respect. The things in clothes that she holds so dear, I disregard and hold in contempt, and visa versa.
    Oh, and then it gets to make-up___I can’t wear it because it messes up the ph balance of my skin. However, on one occasion I did get into wearing ‘the eye-brow pencil thing’…It was after I asked my dear husband to trim my bangs/fringe. He took his beard trimmer, being the practical man that he is, and proceeded to trim my bangs with it. Then he exclaimed, “Oh no!!” Somehow he had managed to shave off half of each eye-brow in the process_
    Now my Mother-in-law, on the other hand, spends time on her face!! She has so, all her adult life. She uses 3 different kinds of liquid on her face just to clean and condition it, and then she powders herself all up for church!! On more than one occasion, she has given me a lecture on the benefits of her ritual, and has also informed other female members of our family on how I needed to emulate her procedures! She used to use eye-brow pencil, but lately, because of her eye site, we really try to discourage her because it makes her look like one of the ‘munsters’ on ‘The Adam’s Family’. One day I was in a hurry, and she was still working on the make-up thing. (At this stage of her life, it could take her 2 hours or more.) Being the gracious daughter-in-law that I am, I said to her, “Oh Mom, why do you want to put all that caulking on your face? Your skin is beautiful! Why would you want to cover it up? Then I pulled her wheel chair away from the table, and handed her, her ‘old lady’ lip-stick as I rolled her out the door to go to church.
    It goes on from there. I weigh at least twice as much as she does. When I was young, I was a little dismayed at having broad football player type shoulders, but now I appreciate them, because they give me the ability to pick up my frail little Mother-in-law and carry her when the need arises (It’s what you call being able to pick your Mother-in-law up and put her in her place!). When I first got married 24 years ago, my own Mum lived in Australia (& still does), so my Mother-in-law became my Mother too. As a new bride, she was the first one I went to, to ask for advice. She was a storehouse of wisdom. She taught me many things. I also learned how to be Christ like by the way she lived. I used to see her self-sacrificing attitude towards my Father-in-law, and I would get so irritated at his treatment of her, but she never wavered, & when things got tough, she choose to be conformed to the image of Christ instead of walking away…. and three months before he died, he got his heart right with the LORD. All her children are walking with the LORD. Now she is working on her grandchildren. Her youngest son loves to tell the story of how when they were kids and fighting constantly with each other, Mom would walk into the room with her Bible in hand, and start vehemently rebuking the unclean spirits. She even opened up their drawers & closets to rebuke the spirits! Then my brother-in-law and his siblings would get real quiet for about a week, because they decided that they had gone too far and had pushed Mom just a little bit off the deep end!! Of course he is telling it from his perspective! When my Mother-in-law tells the story, she says it worked, ‘cause they all stopped fighting!
    When she first started going down hill, one night she got up at about 2am, and slipped on the bathroom rug, and didn’t have strength enough to get herself back up. She didn’t even have the strength to turn herself over! So she lay there and sang to the LORD for several hours, ‘till I went in there and found her. She said, “I’ve been singing every hymn I could think of!!
    All this is to say, for the past 16 years I have prayed many times, “O LORD, please give me the grace to live with my Mother-in-law, and O God, give her the grace to live with me!!” He has!
    Grace is undeserved favor. How much do I deserve my Mother-in-law to be gracious towards me, when I have just asked her why she was putting caulking all over her face? If my husband shaves my eyebrows off, should I still take him his coffee in the morning? Should I still be a blessing to a child who refers to me as ‘Mrs. Moon Boots’ when I am out of ear shot? Oh yes! Why? Because the LORD took our place and bore the punishment for all the sins that we have committed against Him and each other. (He loves us unconditionally!) The scripture says, “Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD”. Grace is a 2 fold thing. First it is God’s ability to put up with you. It is something that He chooses to do. The Messiah grew up with this ability. John 1:14 says He was full of grace and truth. We don’t deserve His favor towards us. The second part is that He gives us the ability to go through the impossible. It was His grace that gave my Mother-in-law the ability to sing while she was lying all those hours on that cold bathroom floor. It’s God’s grace that gives different members of the body of Christ the ability to get along with each other, even when they comprehend things from totally different points of view like my Mother-in-law and I. Stephen in Acts 7:60, while he was being stoned to death, cried out, “LORD, don’t charge this sin against them. John Browne in 1517, while being burned alive at the stake for his faith, folded his hands and began singing “O LORD, I yield me to Thy grace, Grant me mercy for my trespass; Let never the fiend my soul chase. LORD, I will bow, and Thou shalt beat, Let never my soul come in hell-heat.” Noah received God’s grace 2 fold. First, through God’s grace, he survived the trials of the pre-flood world and built the Ark. Second, it was the LORD’s undeserved favor that allowed him and the seven others to survive The Flood.
    Walking in God’s grace reaps a bountiful harvest that is beyond measure…

  20. DQ May 13, 2008 4:24 am Reply

    Dear Paul-
    You and others keep quoting Genesis where it states that god put the stars in the heaven for signs. I am curious, that since god clearly states that the stars are for signs, why christians are always condemning astrologers. The astrologers are just using the stars the way god intended. God put signs in the stars when Jesus was born to alert the magi of the event, and Jesus himself said that in the last days there would be signs in the stars (Luke 21). Since christians seem to believe these are the last days, why aren’t they looking for signs in the stars? Jesus said they would be there. Seems like Peter (EndTimes) should be all over that.

  21. praybird May 14, 2008 5:19 am Reply

    Dear Precious Welders Wife,
    Thank you so much for sharing this, on this blog, this has blessed me more than you know, for on Mothers day I was invited to my son’s house, and my daughter-in-law and 3 of her sisters and one brother and her mother was there. All of them except for her and her mother was smoking and drinking beer, But they are catholic and we have clashed time and time again over the past 17 years. At one point she put me down and told me how terrible she thught I was and that she is never wrong. Well I had a choice, to forgive and love her, so I prayed for the Lords grace, and humbled myself, over the last few years everytime I would see her I would give her a hug, more out of obediance to the Lord, but after awhile I found that I really meant it. You know what? she held on to me and I felt her response, I knew she cared but she wouldn’t let anyone else know this. I don’t agree with the worldliness, the drinking but I go there and Love them anyway, I pray that they will see Jesus somehow through my own struggles.
    I wish more of this would be said welders wife about being blessings to those who don’t treat you good. How we need more of this. God bless you from Brenda

  22. The Welders Wife May 14, 2008 9:05 am Reply

    Dear DQ,
    Hi! This is in response to your question to Paul on May 13th.
    It’s because at one time in their history, the Israelites worshipped the moon & the stars instead of God, & consequently reaped the result of God’s wrath. Jer 7:18, 44:17-25; See also Deut 4:19, 17:3, & 2 Kings 17:16-18, 21:3-4 & the rest of the chapter & 2 Kings 23:4-5.
    God made the stars for a witness of His glory but not to be worshipped. Before the Flood, apparently the pictures formed by the stars presented the whole plan of Salvation. Apparently [nobody knows for sure], when the Tower of Babel was built, the Gospel story in the star constellations began to be corrupted. The meaning changed from the truth of what the Messiah would be, into legends of ‘heroic deeds’ of the pre-flood Nephilim [similar to Greek Mythology according to Josephus]. The interesting thing though is that God didn’t allow the original names of the stars in the constellation pictures to be changed, so the actual original message is still there. There’s 3 books that I know of on the subject, & each one of them has very similar information. Here they are:

    ‘The Heavens Declare’: William D. Banks Impact Books, inc ISBN 0-089228-101-4

    ‘The Real Meaning Of The Zodiac’: D. James Kennedy. Ph.D. Coral Ridge Ministries 5th printing. He also has a set of tapes on the subject with the same title.

    ‘The Witness Of The Stars’: E.W.Bullinger Kregel Publications ISBN 0-8254-2245-0

    Many people in the Creation Science Movement believe that the ‘protoevangelium’ or first evangel or first preaching of the Gospel goes right back before the Flood to Adam & his son Seth, & it’s laid out in the star constellations, & it’s prophetic revelation hasn’t been completely fulfilled yet. Any of the 3 books above will explain. It’s all about the Messiah, & it lines up with the scriptures.

  23. The Welders Wife May 14, 2008 12:14 pm Reply

    Dear Brenda,
    Thanks for your encouragement! There’s a lot more to this story. My Mother-in-law still has a Godly influence over me & our whole family. My husband’s oldest brother’s wife & I were talking about it yesterday. She & Mom didn’t always see eye to eye either, for many years. When she first married my brother-in-law it was less than a year after my father-in-law passed away, & my sister-in-law was a new Believer with a lot of baggage, & about 19 years old, & her husband was about 34 & a very immature Believer & a product of the whole hippy drug culture… and they both had children from previous relationships. And they eloped!!
    Um……
    personalities clashed…….
    major stormy weather ensured for several years……
    & blood’s thicker than water…….!!
    Mom finally decided that she was going to do whatever she could to make my sister-in-law feel like she was accepted by her Mother-in-law. [And this was after my sister-in-law had walked away from the LORD for a few months & had just recently come back.] By this time my Mother-in-law lived about a 1000 miles away. That didn’t stop her! She went to visit my sister-in-law & spend time with her. When she left, she gave her some rolls of quarters, & told her to keep them for emergencies, like if she needed milk or something [‘cause they were always broke]. My sister-in-law has never forgotten those quarters & Mom’s reaching out to her. Her & my brother-in-law have now been married almost 25 years, & she’s become a ‘prayer warrior’ & she reaches out to the people in the mobile home park where they live.
    And I have her permission to tell this story. Walking in God’s grace produces results that are mind blowing!
    Love in Christ,
    The Welder’s wife & The Welder’s Elder Brother’s wife!

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