Knee-Mail: Nets

From:    Kent Hovind
Sent:    April 29, 2008
To:    Peter
Subject:    Fishers of Men

First read:    Luke 5:1-9

Luke 5:1-9  “And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret,  And saw two ships standing by the lake: but the fishermen were gone out of them, and were washing their nets.  And he entered into one of the ships, which was Simon’s, and prayed him that he would thrust out a little from the land. And he sat down, and taught the people out of the ship.  Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a draught.  And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down the net.  And when they had this done, they enclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net broke.  And they beckoned unto their partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink.  When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.  For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes which they had taken.”

KH:    Excuse me, Mr. Peter. What happened to that net? Is it ruined?

Peter:    Oh, it’s pretty badly ripped all right, but I think I can fix it. These nets cost about 150 shekels so we try to make them last as long as possible. We are real careful with them.

KH:    If you were careful, how did it get torn up so badly?

PT:    Well… about an hour ago, my partners and I were pretty discouraged. We had fished all night and caught nothing. We were tired. We were thinking about quitting and were washing the nets (Luke 5:2) right here on this same rock when that man over there talking to the crowd of people came by. His name is Jesus. He got in my boat a few feet from shore to preach to a huge crowd of people. While we washed the nets, he preached. It was incredible! I’ve never heard anything like it before. When he got done speaking, he told me to launch out into the deep water and let down the nets (Luke 5:4).

KH:     Did you do it?

PT:    Well…yes and no. I did launch out, even though I told him we had fished all night and caught nothing (Luke 5:5). I did let down one net, this one actually, even though he had said nets. I don’t know if it was laziness or lack of faith, or just not paying real close attention to his words, but I only put down one net.

KH:    What happened?

PT:    We caught so many fish, it ripped the net! We filled two boats with the fish! There were so many that both boats began to sink. I tell you, Kent, I’ve been fishing this lake all my life and I’ve never seen anything like it. Zebedee is taking the fish to market now.

KH:    What are you going to do now?

PT:    I’m gonna fix this net and leave everything here with Zebedee. I’m gonna follow that Jesus guy for the rest of my life. He said, “Follow me and I’ll make you fishers of men (Matt. 4:19).” If he can help us catch fish like this, I can’t wait to see how many men we catch!

KH:    There is no way you would believe me if I told you how it will turn out.

PT:    I’ll also try to listen to His instructions real carefully.

KH:    Great idea!


  1. pabramson June 22, 2008 2:22 pm

    Oh, yesterday it was 400 lightening-started fires in Northern California. Now it is up to some 500!

    “Lightning Sparks Up to 500 Fires in California”,2933,369923,00.html

    Micah 6:8 “He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?”

    Matthew 5:45 “That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”

  2. Sade Tennyson June 22, 2008 3:01 pm

    Hello Brother Kent Hovind,

    Precious greetings to you in Jesus worthy name.
    Blessed be tha name of our Lord who has called you to fish for souls. I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for keeping you focused on the commitment you made to fish for souls just like Peter did (though it costs hard trials!!!).
    The joy of our Lord Jesus Christ will remain your strength brother Kent. We are surely not moved by what we see, we are only moved by the word of God. Blessed be the name of our living God for his sustaining grace upon you.
    We are still praying for you. The joy of our Lord Jesu Christ will remain your strength.
    Remember, known unto God are all His works from the begining. Our Lord Jesus be glorified & the devil & his cohorts be put to shame continually. I pray your life will continually bring forth glory unto His holy name.
    We bless the Lord for His answer to our petitions. Ps 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.
    Ps 28:6 Blessed be the LORD, because he hath heard the voice of my supplications.

    Be strengthened & know for sure that the Lord Jesus is on your side….The Lord Jesus be with you brother, keep & strengthen you always in Jesus name. Amen.

    Sade Tennyson

  3. Jason June 22, 2008 4:13 pm

    Dear Ekkman Geno & Welders Wife,

    It seems as though you have all found something you agree on,

    Ekkman (June 22nd, 2008 at 12:36pm)
    Gen. 1:27 it shows me that God created man and woman in his image. It is not a physical image since God is not a physical being.

    Geno (June 20th, 2008 at 6:27pm)
    IMO, it is a serious error to attempt to assign physical traits to a pure spiritual being such as God.

    Welders Wife (June 18th, 2008 at 7:55am)
    It doesn’t say that He created ‘ha eeshah’/the woman in His image. It only says that He created ‘ha adam’ in His image.
    It then goes on to say that He created male & female.

    Although to be fair Welders Wife only implies that Eve was not created in God’s image. However I would have thought though that this itself would imply that the ‘image’ in question is something more than just physical. WW please correct me on this if I am wrong.


    I am not sure if I should be pleased or not, as it seems to me that you are all unified in a belief that I am in error.
    Proverbs 26:17 comes to mind yet again.

    Ekkman said (June 22nd, 2008 at 12:36pm)
    The word tells me that God is not a man… Ck. Numbers 23:19

    Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    As I AM NOT A MAN, that would happily bow down to peer pressure; especially when the scriptural references given don’t add up. I will therefore follow,1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good and work out my own salvation with fear and trembling.

    This is not an argument that on the “super important” issue of salvation, only on the ‘lesser’ issue of what God looks like. I am therefore happy to agree to differ and wait until the time come when all things are revealed, then we all shall know the truth and there will be no further disunity.

    Ekkman pointed out that God is; Knowledge Holiness & Righteousness (June 22nd, 2008 at 12:36pm).
    I do agree with this, God is also “Love” among many other things too.

    I guess this will not be the last word on the issue, not that it matters so much as long as we can disagree without loss of Love.

    Lots of Love

    Jason x

  4. The Welders Wife June 22, 2008 4:27 pm

    Psalm 138
    This one’s for Paul Abramson.
    Brother, I haven’t dissected this one. It’s just straight from the Hebrew, but it seems to me there’s a lot more depth in the Hebrew. You were saying somewhere that Psalm 138:2 says [KJV] “for Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy NAME.”

    Ok, verse one:
    L David/ To David
    odcha vchol libiy/ I-will-praise-You in-all heart-mine
    neged elohim azamrecha / before gods I-will-sing-to-You
    [It’s the idea that he’s wiped the idols & he’s worshiping GOD in their place. It’s like a war cry of victory.]

    verse 2:
    Eshtachave el haychal kadshcha /I-will-bow to sanctuary-of holiness-YOURS
    v ode et SHEMCHA / & thank et NAME-YOURS
    al chasdcha / for kindness(mercy,grace)-YOURS
    v al amitecha / & for truth-YOURS
    key higdalta al kal SHIMCHA imratecha
    / because increased on all NAME-YOURS word-YOURS

    verse 3:
    b yom karaty /in day called-I
    v ata’anenee /& YOU-answered-me
    tar’he’venee v’naf’she oz /strengthened-me in-soul-mine strength

    verse 4:
    yoducha YHVH chol malchay aretz /shall-praise-YOU YAHVEH all kings-of earth
    key shamu imray feecha /because heard-they sayings-of mouth-YOURS

    verse 5:
    v yashiyru b dar’chay YHVH/ & shall-sing in ways-of YAHVEH
    key gadol kvod YHVH / because great glory-of YAHVEH

    verse 6:
    key ram YHVH /because mighty YAHVEH
    v shafal yire /& lowly-ones will-see
    v gavoha mimerchak Yyeida /& arrogant from-faraway He-knows

    verse 7:
    im ei’lecha b kerev tzara/ if I-will-go in midst-of trouble
    t’cha’yenee al af oyvay /YOU-make-me-live on anger-of enemies-mine
    tish’lach Ya’de’cha/ YOU-will-send-forth YOUR-hand
    v toe’she’eney Y’me’ne’cha / & will-help-me Your-right-hand

    verse 8:
    YHVH Yigmor ba adee / YAHVEH HE-completes in me
    YHVH chasdecha lolam / YAHVEH kindness(mercy, grace)-YOURS to-forever
    ma asay Yadecha al teref / from-works hands-YOURS not let-go

  5. for Jesus’ name: Phillip-George (c)1974 June 22, 2008 9:03 pm

    PA:_ President Harry S. Truman [abbreviational fiction not withstanding] had a sign on his desk which read “The Buck Stops Here”
    the sign was made by commission inside of a Federal Reformatory – the irony of which is rich. A U.S. Marshal commissioned a sign to be made for a sitting President, inside of a Federal Reformatory.

    But is it true Truth. [Francis Schaeffer]

    the bible says “a borrower is a slave to a lender ”

    shakespeare [or Sir Francis Bacon] said

    Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
    For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
    And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.

    ie. Borrowing / welfare states make for recipients who lazy, dumb and useless : but that’s another story

    the point is that both Solomon and Shakespeare wrote in the days of real money – gold and silver, silage and substantial tribute.

    So who are the current slave masters in this exercise of hidden power/ shadow government?

    When Jesus said [luke 20]

    Shew me a denarius. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.

    And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s.

    there are several points to this. 1. The denarius was real silver. this was dollar equivalent hard currency/ coinage/ this money intrinsically contained real valuable consideration 2. Caesar was a real flesh and blood man who could claim sovereignty over his coinage/ minting operations. He could testify as a witness. In that Empire Caesar was the man responsible for the creation and usage of money.

    the question I am perpetuating then is this:_ If greenbacks are a “debt instrument”, but one without any solid backing/ valuable consideration, and you were not a party to the loan agreement at their creation, then how can you be held responsible for any debt pursuant to their creation or irresponsible dissemination?


    Moreover, was Harry S. Truman playing for real coinage/ valuable consideration agreed-accepted promissory notes or just “play money” poker chips.

    Would Harry S. Truman have threatened a friend who wouldn’t return his poker chips at the end of the night?

    While perhaps the “play money” should stop at the Oval Office perhaps the trail really leads elsewhere? Perhaps the chips didn’t even belong to Harry. So where does the buck stop?

    so Who is Caesar?

    Isn’t the one at the top of the pyramid the one to appeal to………………………

    the Holy Bible stands

  6. darling June 23, 2008 8:23 am

    pabramson Said this on June 21st, 2008 at 1:10pm:

    Dear Learned Hand, DQ & Darling…

    If we believe that the legislature has made some bad laws then we vote them out of office.

    I’m afraid you didn’t come anywhere close to answering my question. Again:

    What is the point of a Constitution if the people, through their elected representatives, are free to pass unconstitutional laws?

    for Jesus’ name: Phillip-George (c)1974 Said this on June 22nd, 2008 at 1:24am:

    “No preexisting law within any sovereign jurisdiction could be abrogated by the Law of the Constitution.”

    You might want to re-read the U.S. Constitution. It says that no matter what any law or constitution of any state may say, the U.S. Constitution and treaties are the supreme law of the land.

  7. Hubert June 23, 2008 3:08 pm

    So how do we throw out these supreme court judges who are making unconstitutional laws and get new ones who will follow the constitution?

  8. YoCuzwaasup June 23, 2008 3:19 pm

    I see the numbers of responses are dropping?. Summer time and graduation priorities? Not throwing guilt I too have had my computer down for a while but I still want to know how our American “politically held” prisoner is fairing. Far better than those who had a hand in placing him there after God is finished with them after the dust settle’s. (The so called “God threat” as you used, will be your demise sir)

    Brothers and sisters, lets be like the 5 wise bridesmaids. Ready … The words of Jesus ring so clear … Don’t be surprised when you see these things happening … See I have told you beforehand.

    Also remember these words prophesied well over 1900 years ago about our time…

    1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    It is nigh even at the door. The esoteric few, are being exposed. There is no place left to hide.

  9. Soldier June 23, 2008 5:55 pm

    Hi, I’m new here so…I’ll just try to understand how things work, but at the same time I have some serious questions:

    Before we go any further, how can one establish a conversation with Peter when he is dead? Are you aware of the state of the dead? They neither talk nor understand, the daed are asleep till the Lord comes, although there are a few people in heaven (Enoch, Moses, Elijah and those resurrected at the time of the Lord’s ressurection) Peter is not one of them, at least it is not written in the bible that it is so, apart from that he was alive at the time of the Lord’s resurrection so he could not have been amongst these!

  10. Soldier June 23, 2008 6:54 pm

    Lets just suppport that comment with scripture:

    Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, [u]that he is both dead and buried[/u], and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

    Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

    Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

    Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
    Job 7:10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.

    Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

    Joh 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
    Joh 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
    Joh 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
    Joh 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
    Joh 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
    Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
    Joh 11:44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

    This should help clear up any confusion regarding this subject!

  11. for Jesus’ name: Phillip-George (c)1974 June 24, 2008 4:01 am

    Juridical – where’s the transcript now- darling
    You might want to re-read the U.S. Constitution. It says that no matter what any law or constitution of any state may say, the U.S. Constitution and treaties are the supreme law of the land.

    thanks for that
    1st Ammend.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

    Art 6 Cl 2
    shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    Federal Judges in every state no doubt must agree then that congress can make no law concerning an institute of religion and that the extent to which states are founded upon religious precepts must thus be respected as such. ie. there can be found nothing in them that is “contrary” on the basis of religion.

    the statement thus that Holy Bible is the Supreme Law of the Land must apply somewhere. ?

    or the statement that :This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land

    must also apply somewhere?

    maybe Washington DC and Puerto Rico perhaps? Or Perhaps inside of a Federal Court building.

    Interesting question you’ve raised Juridical darling, perhaps we can put a test case together to get an innocent man out of jail.

    I wonder if the 8th Amendment includes diesel therapy

    my bible says that when its God Vs. Anyone, God wins – I’m paraphrasing but perhaps PA will let me get away with it this time

    there’s also the question of the ratification process isn’t there? we could be in for a good year.

  12. Matthew June 24, 2008 6:57 am

    Awhile back, I belive someone mentioned about the discovery about a “lost” tribe in the Amazon. It turns out the story is not quite true.

  13. pabramson June 24, 2008 8:48 am

    Dear Sister Tennyson,

    Thank you for your many encouraging words to Dr. Hovind.

    Dr. Hovind receives the printed blogs a few weeks behind their postings.

    Your positive words are a blessing to him, I am sure!

    Paul Abramson

  14. pabramson June 24, 2008 9:09 am

    Dear Darling,

    Thank you for your comments of – June 23rd, 2008 at 8:23am.

    You Wrote: “What is the point of a Constitution if the people, through their elected representatives, are free to pass unconstitutional laws?”

    So there is a written standard. But humans have failings.

    Who are YOU to determine whether or not some law that Congress passes is Constitutional or not?

    Let’s say that Ekkman, EndTimes, Welder’s Wife, Jason, and I were put onto the Supreme Court. And a case came before us to determine if it is constitutional to teach evolution in the public schools. Five out of nine.

    We would put on official black robes. Let’s deliberate. Well evolution is not science, of course. But should it be taught in the schools? Hmmm. The evidence does not support it. Surely this “theory” as they call it is but a spiritual deception. What if it was only allowed in “comparative religions” classes?….

    Should the five of us OVERRIDE the cumulative wisdom of 300-400 ELECTED representatives? Please, again I ask the question: Wherein lies wisdom? In the minds of the few (unelected) or in the many (elected), elected by ALL the voters?


    Citizen Review – when the voters ELECT their own representatives – this is the solution built within the Constitution.

    You seem to keep asking for an absolute standard – when every (non-absolute) piece of the puzzle involves HUMANS.

    Are you the one to determine constitutionality? Am I?

    The founders sought to have a separation of powers and to add checks and balances. So-called “Judicial Review” is not what they intended. And Marbury v. Madison is NOT an amendment to the Constitution, therefore it is inapplicable. Judicial Review where a new law gets “tested in the courts” is inherently wrong! It undercuts representative government.

    The legislature can (and does) sometimes pass unconstitutional laws. Look at the McCain-Feingold legislation.


    We are partially conscious and partially sub-conscious in our thinking. We can’t see the sub-conscious part. But it is there. Hope, guilt, dreams, perceived history, pride, and faith play into our sub-conscious thoughts.

    Today we have sub-consciously gotten used to our representatives being less important than judges. It negatively impacts voter participation. Bad folks get into power and then stay there. If we are unable to examine ourselves then we do not see all of this. And perhaps there are other puzzle pieces that I am not perceiving. // Back in the 19th Century it was not uncommon for folks to go to a political debate and to stand for hours listening. Now folks see it on TV and hit the remote to see what else is on.

    HUBERT asked – what we can do. Well, first we need to repair the foundations! Like Nehemiah did. And a part of that involves education.

    Why is it “legal” in America to kill unborn babies? No legislature (of the people) has approved that, right? It was judicial fiat, raw judicial power. But it was a power that was not theirs to implement. We should not have stood for that! But we did. The public schools and left wing media had already done horrendous damage to public understanding of the issues and voter perception.

    Well, I need to end this message. Maybe, like in George Orwell’s “Animal Farm” by writing these things I am only angering those who say the right words, such as “Four legs good, two legs bad.” while they “wisely” plunder us from within. …. And the sheep just follow without seeing what lies ahead.

    Paul Abramson

  15. pabramson June 24, 2008 9:30 am

    Folks, I need to mention something important.

    Yesterday I learned that this site, will soon be changed. I learned this and then typed up a “closing letter” and sent it to Eric Hovind. I think that it will be posted here by someone, sometime today.

    I will no longer be the moderator/editor – as postings will be closed. Only Dr. Hovind’s entries will be allowed. No more comments or debates.


    How to download an entire web site:

    The program I use is “Teleport Pro”.

    Go to: and search for: “Teleport Pro”.

    At NIGHT or beginning on a Sunday morning, US time – start the download. I usually use the built-in wizard (“New Project Wizard”), and set it to: “Duplicate a web site, including directory structure”. Type in the exact web page starting point, and “4” levels deep. (That should be enough, and 5 may bring in an astronomical amount of data that you did not want.)

    You will want to use a separate directory on a BIG hard drive. Make sure you have several extra gigabytes available, just in case it is bigger than you thought. Select the new folder you made, (after completing the wizard), then hit the blue “play” arrow to start the download.

    You could download -OR- completely onto your own local hard drive. For larger web sites it may take many hours to download, even if you do it at NIGHT (when the Internet is less congested, and thus faster). Just let it chug through the data, slowly following all the internal links, and building an entire copy of the site for your reference later.


    At this time – the Internet remains open. It will not always remain so.

    Imagine if the liberals win the elections in a landslide this fall. Early next year they may pass “hate speech” (i.e. anti-free speech) laws, to “protect” us from thinking for ourselves.

    A clown like me could be pulled from a list and brought in for questioning, or worse. They may demand that I “correct” things that I’ve written in the past or that my “incorrect” web sites be summarily blocked, for the public good, or course. I should have known that what I was writing was illegal.


    “Jim, files say this next guy believes in creationism. Let’s have some fun with him.”

    “Gary, wait, it’s break time. Let him sit in the room for a while longer with the cuffs on. Let’s go grab a cup of coffee first. Did you see the game last night?” …

  16. Russians June 24, 2008 9:37 am

    We would like to use this last opportunity to write to Dr. Hovind through this blog.
    Dear Doctor Hovind. We are praying for you every day, and we believe that the victory is yours! This weekend we are hosting a evangelical kiosk in the city park and will be giving away hundreds of DVD copies of your seminar (Part 3) and tracks. Soon more people will learn the truth. And you are the part of this outreach ministry even though you are locket at this time. But there are no locks for the TRUTH!!! Praise the Lord! Love you, Brother.

  17. pabramson June 24, 2008 10:10 am

    “A Dark Past: Contraception, abortion, and the eugenics movement.”
    By Jonah Goldberg – June 24, 2008

    From Article: “Margaret Sanger, whose American Birth Control League became Planned Parenthood, was the founding mother of the birth-control movement. She is today considered a liberal saint, a founder of modern feminism, and one of the leading lights of the Progressive pantheon. …”


    “10 Concerns about Barack Obama”
    By William J. Bennett & Seth Leibsohn – June 24, 2008

    From Article: “…In reverse order, Ronald Reagan met with no Soviet leader during the entirety of his first term in office, not (ever) with Brezhnev, not (ever) with Andropov, not (ever) with Chernenko. He met only with Gorbachev, and after he was assured Gorbachev was a different kind of Soviet leader — and after Perestroika, not before. …”

  18. Hubert June 24, 2008 11:32 am

    Yes, I don’t know why we as christians have put up with things like the legalization of abortion etc. I’m afraid we are going to be swept away like Daniel in the Bible when his country was taken into captivity.
    I think if we are serious us christians know what is around the corner for us, but like Kent Hovind says, at the very end we and God wins! I am going to miss you Paul Abramson as you said you will not be the moderator any longer. I will continue to keep in contact as I can with Dr. Hovind. Bless you two brothers in Christ. Let us cherish our relationship with the Lord and read His word daily while we still have His word in our possession, but He will always be with us,…even to the end of the age as He has said in HIs word. Let us be encouraged that God is ultimately in control and He will set things right in the end.

  19. Hubert June 24, 2008 11:38 am

    P.S. Dr. HOvind… I am still distributing your dvd’s to lost and unlost people. So in essence you are still working on the outside and now you are working inside too. Thankyou for all you have done for the Lord and continue to do. We are thankful for what He has done for us so let us persevere to the end and we will be together with our Lord soon. Hubert

  20. pabramson June 24, 2008 12:06 pm

    “Lightning Storm Sparks More Than 800 California Wildfires” – June 24, 2008,2933,370544,00.html

    From Article: “… Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he was told late Sunday evening that the state had 520 fires, and he found it “quite shocking” that by Monday morning the number had risen above 700.

    “Moments later, a top state fire official standing at Schwarzenegger’s side offered a grim update. The figure was actually 842 fires, …”

  21. darling June 24, 2008 12:50 pm

    pabramson Said this on June 24th, 2008 at 9:09am:

    So there is a written standard. But humans have failings.

    You’re dodging the question again. I think I know why.

    Again, what is the point of a Constitution if the people, through their elected representatives, are free to pass unconstitutional laws?

    Under your ‘citizen review’ scenario citizens can pass whatever unconstitutional laws they want – no matter what the Constitution says. If the majority want unconstitutional laws, nobody can stop them. The Constitution may as well not exist.

    Furthermore, the notion that ‘citizen review’ can apply to every since law is ridiculous. As you know, our representatives pass many, many laws. If our choice is between a party whose passes 80% constitutional laws and a party who passes 90% constitutional laws, we still end up with unconstitutional laws.

    Not only does ‘citizen review’ makes the constitution meaningless, but it’s an ineffective tool.

    “Should the five of us OVERRIDE the cumulative wisdom of 300-400 ELECTED representatives?”

    Are you forgetting that we the people, through our ELECTED representatives, had to confirm your appointments with “advice and consent”?

    Are you forgetting that the people have the power to override every judicial decision by re-crafting laws or amending the constitution?

    “The founders sought to have a separation of powers and to add checks and balances. So-called “Judicial Review” is not what they intended.”

    Again, ‘citizen review’ the constitution, and whatever ‘checks and balances it contains, meaningless. Judicial Review is the only mechanism by which the constitution can work as intended.

    More importantly, if Marbury’s concept of judicial review was offensive to any of the founders, don’t you think they would have said something?

  22. The Welders Wife June 24, 2008 1:10 pm

    Dear Soldier,
    The LORD Jesus says that there’s no such thing as ‘soul sleep’. Read Luke 16:19-31.

  23. The Welders Wife June 24, 2008 1:16 pm

    Dear CSE Bloggers,

    After praying & investigating the idea for a couple months, this past weekend I began a website for a women’s creation science ministry.
    The name of it is

    & The shorter version is W-ROCS!

    It’s not up yet, but it has 2 different addresses one of them is and the other one is

    I’m making this announcement now because I don’t know how much time we have left on this blog.

    I would really appreciate your prayers.

    And thank you for allowing me to learn to soar like an eagle on this blog. It has been truly a God send!

  24. Ganf June 24, 2008 1:23 pm

    Said this on June 24th, 2008 at 9:30am:

    Folks, I need to mention something important.

    Yesterday I learned that this site, will soon be changed. I learned this and then typed up a “closing letter” and sent it to Eric Hovind. I think that it will be posted here by someone, sometime today.

    I will no longer be the moderator/editor – as postings will be closed. Only Dr. Hovind’s entries will be allowed. No more comments or debates.

    Paul and all CSE Blogs contributors, the CSEAntipode group at Google Groups will remain open for business as usual, despite the loss of CSE Blogs. You are welcome to join, if you want, by going to

    Have a good day.


  25. Istvan June 24, 2008 1:44 pm

    Dear Paul,

    Paul said: “Folks, I need to mention something important.

    Yesterday I learned that this site, will soon be changed. I learned this and then typed up a “closing letter” and sent it to Eric Hovind. I think that it will be posted here by someone, sometime today.

    I will no longer be the moderator/editor – as postings will be closed. Only Dr. Hovind’s entries will be allowed. No more comments or debates.”

    It is an odd development indeed, and I am terribly sorry to hear that CSEBlogs is going into a “Read Only” mode. CSEBlogs has been a GREAT site and you, Paul, have been a VERY GOOD moderator! And I mean it. I have found your input just as valuable as the knee-mail messages written by Dr. Hovind. So as far as I am concerned, good job, Paul Abramson! We will be in touch. There is stuff on your website I promised to translate for you into Hungarian.

    Dear Dr. Hovind,

    Be sure that I am going to continue to read your knee-mail messages, and I am pretty sure that a lot of people will do the same. Only from now on we will be posting our comments using the very thing you invented: knee-mail. And be sure that your messages WILL be read by a LOT of people. I wish you the very best for the future. I will be praying for you and your family. Also, your Creation Seminar series is being translated into Hungarian. DVD #1 is already out, DVD# 2 is about to come out soon, and the rest will follow in time. You are a pretty fast talker indeed, sir, and it takes a long time for lowly translators like myself to translate a single DVD of yours ;) But the important thing is that your Creation Seminar DVD series will be availabe in Hungarian, and a lot of people will get to see it. Hundreds for sure, and maybe thousands… Please, pray for those Hungarian souls, too! I will keep an eye on how your case is developing.

    God Bless You Brothers & Sisters & Skeptics,

    I am goint to miss CSEBlogs…
    Oh, should anyone want to get in touch with me for whatever reason, Paul Abramson has my e-mail address / I hope :)

    OK, so I guess this is it.

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